Oi.

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 12/04/2014 at 12:28 • Filed to: None

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Kids in my Auto Tech class. I can't.

No the GNX wasn't Supercharged and Turbocharged.

V8 are better than V6s. Especially the LT family of motors.

The Charger Hellcat isn't Turbocharged.

The Avenger isn't better looking than the Charger. And it certainly isn't faster.

That Juke that out-dragged a Veyron was not in the slightest stock. It's got GT-R drivetrain under it.

V8s can be smaller displacement than V6s. Just because GM makes a 4.3L V6 doesn't mean Audi can't make a 4.2L V8.

Yes you can tune a V6 to make V8 power levels, but you can also tune a V8 to make WAY more than that.

No, your $1,200 Bonneville SE shitcan won't keep up with even a 4-cylinder Malibu. And it CERTAINLY doesn't do 0-60 in 6-second. Especially now that you blew the motor.

I'm about 99% sure the 2003 Discovery wasn't built in America.

No shit a V6 car is going to (usually) beat a V8 truck. How about you compare two similar things?

I sat there listening to this bullshit trying not to yell at them all. How can people wanting to go into working on cars professionally think all this!? I wanted to bash my head in on the desk.

At this point I would show you the E38 on M-Parallels I saw, but my phone is being an ass and won't let me email the picture to myself. So here's the next best thing.

It was identical to this one.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:30

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*4.2

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/04/2014 at 12:31

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Fixed. I knew it was in the 4.0-4.3L range.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:32

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Things I have heard: new Land Rover is basically an Explorer. Um, no.

Your class, though - it seems like you have V6 supremacists or something? That's f'ing weird, man. They cannot into second order vibrations.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:32

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Also this reminds me our auto tech class got to work on some cool stuff. I'll have to post them later.

PushToStart > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:32

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not sure how anyone could be convinced that a stock Juke outran a Veyron...

505Turbeaux > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:33

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and this is the future of techs in America...

I weep for people who don't fix their own whips

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/04/2014 at 12:34

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I've never seen more people against a V8! Like what the hell!?

Conan > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:35

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My favorite one from this year "All Panthers are AWD!"

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/04/2014 at 12:35

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I swear if it's a V8 R8 I might start throwing things.

That E38 was parked out front of the other Auto Tech shop, waiting to be worked on. I was so envious compared to the Camry LE parked out front of ours waiting to be worked on (AGAIN)

My citroen won't start > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:36

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If you are going to talk about small displacement V8.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PushToStart 12/04/2014 at 12:36

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The same people who think a naturally aspirated 3800 V6 hits 60 in a bigass Bonneville in SIX SECONDS.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > 505Turbeaux 12/04/2014 at 12:37

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Considering only five of a class of 18 passed the first certification test, I don't see a lot of them getting far.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:38

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Nope, it's cooler than that.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Conan 12/04/2014 at 12:38

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...Wut? Now that's something I never heard.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/04/2014 at 12:39

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Oooh.

Conan > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:39

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"The cops have to have AWD so they can chase you into the fields!"

Riiight.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > PushToStart 12/04/2014 at 12:40

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Hey, it can. After the Veyron has driven at top speed for 12 minutes.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:40

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Here, have a club to beat them with:

Cossie DFV-DFY series. 3 liter, *V8*, NATURALLY ASPIRATED, up to 510hp sustainable through long races, and developed first nearly FIFTY FUCKING YEARS AGO. Not to mention with all accessories, lighter than more than one turbo four, and smaller than many in whole package.

505Turbeaux > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:40

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good. If they really wanted to get these kids vetted out they would put them in front of something with a carb and a set of points. Got to start from the basics instead of - of the computer tells me this, so I need to do A or B to fix it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:41

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Beige is actually the new pea green.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/04/2014 at 12:41

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They'd still say the 3800 Series II is better. They all worship that damn motor!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:42

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If we are comparing V6 Avenger and Charger's, believe it or not, the Avenger is literally a millisecond quicker to 60. Still would rather have the Charger. By the V6 size logic, any GM V8 under 5.8 liters, doesn't exist.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/04/2014 at 12:43

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They were comparing V6 Avenger R/T to Charger R/T.

Welp there goes their beloved 350.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:46

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I'm sure you've pointed out to them that without redesign help, it had NVH right up the rectum, yes? And that pushing power past a certain point is, for that reason, setting a time bomb? And that the larger the accelerating mass in the cylinder and the more limited the swirl and combustion time due to displacement, the lower the efficiency at very high Rs? That a 4l+ V6 is intrinsically worse for high Rs in probably 5 different ways than a 4l+ V8?

OPPOsaurus WRX > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:47

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haha this sounds like the vo-tech when I was in High School. I was able to arrange a special deal so that I could take drafting and not be int he vo-tech (which shared the same building) the other kids had a contest to see who could take a hard er hit to the sack. I'm not really sure whos the winner there, maybe the people watching? There was another kid who owed someone money and for a dollar you could punch him in the face. This ended when someone exploded his nose.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:50

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Oh, well then no. The Avenger would lose. Depending on the driver of course. So does this mean that the Bugatti 8.0 W16 doesn't exist because GM built an 8.1 V8?

stuttgartobsessed > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:52

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You should be grateful that your school even has an auto tech class. None of the high schools I went to offered it... :/

claramag, Mustaco Master > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 12:55

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I mean, the 3800 is alright as far as old v6's go. Better than ford's knock off version

Ah, teenagers. I don't miss being one in the slightest

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/04/2014 at 13:06

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Holy shit, that sounds like a fucked up place to be.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/04/2014 at 13:06

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Duh, obviously.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > stuttgartobsessed 12/04/2014 at 13:07

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Neither does mine. I'm shipped to a specialty school for half the day to do it.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > claramag, Mustaco Master 12/04/2014 at 13:07

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The 3800 OHV was great for its time. But the 3600 DOHC motor is so much better.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 13:10

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yea, i'd go to that class then off to calculus with kids who finished in the top 10 of the class and went on to Harvard and such.

Pableez > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 13:10

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I use to work at Autozone and a younger guy came in with his girlfriend asking for some carburetor cleaner because apparently his 2014 camaro's carburetor was acting weird. He was just name dropping parts that completely did not have anything to do with his car trying to impress his gf I guess? I told him that I was sure his 2014 vehicle didn't have a carburetor but he was stubborn and still ended up buying it...

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Pableez 12/04/2014 at 13:12

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And then promptly sprayed it on the air filter probably.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 13:19

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yeah... The 3800 is a damn good engine, but ludicrous reliability and some modification options do not a miracle worker make. Gibe 500cu Caddy Toronado plz

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 13:23

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tell them that if they want to see the power of a V8, either watch NASCAR or go to a drag strip.

Pableez > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 13:27

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He never did come back lol

RallyWrench > 505Turbeaux 12/04/2014 at 13:50

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Our generation was the last to get that experience or instruction in school. All the kids I've seen come out of tech colleges now only seem to know how to read codes & replace parts. No analytical skills whatsoever. While the old stuff is obsolete, it taught you to think critically & work a problem because you couldn't plug & play shit. What sucks is that many HS vocational programs are dead or dying, even my old one, which was a multiple national AAA Skills contest winner.

505Turbeaux > RallyWrench 12/04/2014 at 13:56

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it is a truly sad state of affairs. The next time I see some young tech with a long metal rod or screwdriver up to their ear poking around trying to find the source of an errant noise I might give them a hug. Whether or not I can plug my computer in to tell the issue or not, it is critical knowledge.

Ok so my computer says this sensor is bad. Now how do you test it with a multimeter or an oscilloscope to see if that REALLY is the issue, and not a bad wire before you start throwing parts at it. Ugh this is one of my never ending rants. I don't shun the new technology at all, I just think there is a firm inherent or taught knowledge base that has to be there before you even go under the hood of anything, much less call yourself a technician of any sort

Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 14:19

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*Facepalm*

bwp240 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 14:21

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My roommate was in auto tech and claims to be a car guy* (binge watches Top Gear after all). However when I mentioned that the Hellcats were out for delivery he looked at me and said, "What's that?" Really... Then he went on and said that Corvettes and Mustangs were better. He is one of THOSE car guys*.

He mentioned that all auto tech taught him was how to do paper work. He is now in computer science, I think he likes it better.

*I don't want to sound like an ass, but if you claim to be a car guy and I mention the Hellcats, the Chevy SS, the Colorado, the new GT350 (I was surprised he missed that), or anything else that isn't a Mustang and you have no idea what I am talking about, yeah...

RallyWrench > 505Turbeaux 12/04/2014 at 14:39

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Kinja needs a 5 star option.

I insist on keeping this around for fun, and because it still works great when we do get something old in. I've got a tablet-based scope too, but I just love using this thing.

505Turbeaux > RallyWrench 12/04/2014 at 15:03

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oh yeah the old Sun! we don't need no steenking tablets mang. haha

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/04/2014 at 18:05

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People who don't know a thing about cars are pretty bearable. Sometimes, enjoyable.

People who know about cars but keep quiet until you chat with them. Enjoyable

People who try to know about cars and aren't annoying about it. Enjoyable.

People who do not know a thing about cars, but feel as if they do. NO